• PackagingWG
• 2020-03-05-pip

Resolver mini-syncup

Mini-syncup, 5 Mar 2020

Paul, Pradyun, TP

• TP: Initial effort posted. What’s that PreviousBuildError about

• Paul: We will get into a mess (I can’t prove it) if we ever reuse a build directory for two things. Maybe it will be easier if we ever only build InstallRequirement from a link, and nothing else.

  • So only use InstallRequirement for Candidate, and not for Requirement

  • TP: Now that I re-read the implementation, it would make sense to do that.
• Paul and Pradyun will spend some time after the meeting to read the PR and work on that.
• Pradyun wants to split the provider, requirement, candidate, etc. into different PRs, each with tests, and submit them separately.
  • TP: Requirement and Candidate are very coupled so that’d probably be the most problematic to separate,
  • Let’s see what we can do

• Someone from Twitter filed an issue within the last day saying: hey! we have implemented pip resolver that turns requirements into ? .... https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/7819

Team syncup

Team syncup, 5 March 2020

Participants:

• Bernard
• Pradyun
• Tzu-Ping
• Paul
• Sumana
• Georgia

Agenda

Bernard & Georgia are working to share their notes from CZI convening

• Invoices
  • TP - check

  • Pradyun - started, can send Jan & Feb invoices within a day or two.

    • Q: Invoicing the week at CZI EOSS?

      • TODO - Sumana to follow up separately with Pradyun & Georgia about this -- DONE

  • Atos/Paul - please chase this to get a combined Jan/Feb invoice
    • Atos invoice has gone through the system, but that copy may go to the formal invoicing address.
    • Brian will follow up with a PDF copy to the requested names/emails, should go out today.
  • Georgia for Simply Secure - adding details for Jan + Feb -- by end of this week?
  • Changeset - submitting this week
• Blockers?

  • Georgia & Bernard:

    • Research plan? Spending some time in a longer catchup on Monday, thinking about tools, ongoing resources, etc.
    • No particular blockers
    • Coming up: B has finished recruitment survey, will make a personal blog post about it, would like to get it circulated widely! Will want input/help
      • TODO: Sumana to help signal-boost and advise on publicity -- DONE
      • Pradyun: Let me know when you have that up; I'll signal boost on my blog too.
  • Tzu-Ping:

    • Things are moving along .... reading some other implementations from Twitter: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/7819 ...

    • resolver prototype... now & next week ( https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/7799 )

  • Paul:

    • this past week, been fragmented, other stuff in the way.... pre-meeting chat, now knows what is next ... refactoring prototype implementation, look at https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/7819 , get some tests of new implementation in place

    • Was short on time this week, will grab time back from work NEXT week.
  • Pradyun:
    • not blocked on anything .... not that I'm aware of right now
  • Sumana:

    • TODO: get in touch with Bethanie, and Phyllis, for things TODO for PyCon plans

      • PyCon registration fees refunded to individuals so cost is coming from donated funds -- easier logistically; no effects.

    • Personal errands taking up a lot of time -- delegating where can.

• pip logo issue https://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/7754#issuecomment-588194568

  • (last discussion) It's probably OK to delay -- is that still True?
    • Bernard previously said: ok to delay. Bernard notes: activity to come up with "what pip is" is an important activity, for SS's user-centered design, and later for branding
    • Today: reiterating that. (And yes a logo is _useful_.) Logo design brief would be useful.

    • if people feel very strongly to get a logo NOW, we can put it up as a job (free/paid) on OpenSourceDesign -- logo design requests are common there -- may or may not be picked up.

      • Sumana: I don't think we urgently need it
      • Georgia: As part of promoting the work, it might make sense to ask in interviews / collect ideas / bring engagement.
      • Sumana: I have had past experiences where bikeshedding / untrained input about visual design has been noisy and drowned useful thought / caused burnout. If we can "channel" this appropriately, we might be able to do it -- we may not be able to put in the time needed to do so.
      • Georgia: If more people would want to give input; we could have that used to create a brief -- we want people to understand that we are asking about the "feeling" that the logo conveys.
      • Sumana: my memory was w.r.t. logo design contest -- getting inputs from users would be better perhaps.
      • Georgia: [note taker was too slow] we can do
      • Sumana: we can talk about this more later.

• Do we have any news on impact of corona virus on Python conferences? https://pycon.blogspot.com/2020/03/march-2-update-on-covid-19.html currently says all AOK.

  • PyCon plans: regular updates from PyCon

  • None of the team is planning on cancelling NOW, but keeping an eye on it
    • Pradyun: I'll need keep an eye out for it, in case the situation becomes drastically works, especially closer to the conference
    • Bernard: agree with that.
    • Paul: Being sponsored by work -- will need to check with them -- should likely be OK. I do have some concerns, and agree w/ Pradyun on taking a cautious approach.
• Communication

  • with stakeholders: https://gist.github.com/brainwane/f5a3dd07099d56bd2cb1ec60e1650598

  • Need a way to describe what we are doing with the new resolver to scale down people's expectations.
  • pip will not magically be able to read users' minds and do the right thing when it isn't right now
  • We'll need to involve Sumana in this, and provide the topics we want to send across to the users
  • TODO: edit the gist to reflect that

  • Paul notes: re branding: have a certain level of style, pulls together "this is the new pip/info" distinguishing us from old resolver.... Warehouse rollout (not just calling it "PyPI") ... distinction between new & old ... consistent reference

    • Georgia: opporunity to give whole new identity upon rollout

  • Can we do this work in a collab doc instead of GitHub gist?

    • Sure!
    • TODO: Sumana to move to another document platform -- DONE

    • https://hackmd.io/@pradyunsg/BJq9aKREI

  • TODO: question in Zulip - what other topics/points to cover?
    • Call for input to interview?
    • Input on the logo/brand ideas?