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| * Update MoinMoin software. (./) | * [[Date(2004-07-25T02:19:08Z)]] - updated to 1.2.3, made custom layout into a theme * [[Date(2003-04-29T20:24:59Z)]] - updated to rev 1.173 * [[Date(2003-03-30T15:56:33Z)]] - updated to CVS and refreshed the help pages * [[Date(2003-03-13T00:13:44Z)]] - activated ''edit locks'' (warnings only for now); time handling changed to use UTC, '''so you have to adapt your user (timezone) settings''' * [[Date(2003-03-07T17:35:38)]] - update from cvs should have fixed RecentChanges problems for anon users; installing PyXML should have fixed any RSS problems * [[Date(2003-02-13T00:46:26)]] - update to rev 1.168, which especially means backups on editor submits for people having a homepage, and spam protection via the `MailTo` macro * [[Date(2003-02-07T20:44:54)]] - update to CVS head * [[Date(2002-12-29T15:29:08)]] - Split up the too large frontpage into multiple head pages. * [[Date(2002-12-13T03:32:56)]] * updated to CVS current (rev 1.166) * Friday the 13th lived up to the promise... several bugs fixed * linksThatStartWithLowerCase are not links anymore, thus boost.python/InternalDataStructures stopped to work; but ["boost.python/InternalDataStructures"] works, and on the ["boost.python"] page, `/InternalDataStructures` works too (i.e. use the short form of subpage links). * [[Date(2002-11-21T06:16:54)]] - updated to CVS current (rev 1.163) * [[Date(2002-11-06T22:40:50)]] - You can now refer to PEPs like so: '''`PEP:0123`''' -> PEP:0123 * [[Date(2002-08-02T00:19:27)]] - Outgoing mail works now |
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| * Fix up the ["Python"] and FrontPage's (./) | == Things that need doing, unless they're done == |
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| * Python logo instead of MoinMoin logo, and changing the sitename (below the logo). (./) | * We need a mission statement on the front page. What it's for, who can/should participate. * Need to create a discussion / ask for help section(s). |
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| * Announce on c.l.p and Daily Py URL when we're fully alive | == Discussion == ''Unfortunately, the ISBN links point to amazon.com, not amazon.de'' -- DanielDittmar |
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| IMO we're not ready to go live yet - we need to do more: * We need a mission statement on the front page. What it's for, who can/should participate. * Links to wiki-etiquette. * The FrontPage is little more the a list of links right now. Some information on what a wiki is and how to use it should be added. * Possibly software, documentation and community should have their own head pages * Need to create a discussion / ask for help section(s) |
Well, this is hardly surprising in an English wiki. You can use full http links, though. -- JürgenHermann [[DateTime(2002-07-26T02:01:40)]] |
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| * Tell Guido to link from python.org to FrontPage. ''Too late!'' (./) * I don't think that's so bad, a wiki lives from its community, and is not something you prepare in a dark chamber and then present (set in stone) to the world. Still, the above observations are valid, and we'll want to ''steer'' the growth into a sane structure. --jh |
''I wasn't surprised, but I was thinking of adding ISBN.de http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/ to intermap.txt (now that I found how ISBN works).'' -- DanielDittmar [[DateTime(2002-07-26T21:14:18)]] ---- |
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| There are areas which could be moved from the regular web site to the wiki, because they live from contributions anyway. Examples would be some of the SpecialInterestGroup''''''s or the page listing editors suitable for Python. -- DanielDittmar [[DateTime(2002-07-15T02:21:48)]] Should we get permission to move content from the python.org webmasters first? I'd like to take up the editors page. -- -- JohannesGijsbers [[DateTime(2002-07-16T02:42:17)]] ''Real moving implies getting such a permission, since the HTML page has to be removed, and the links redirected to the wiki pages. Please don't just copy pages w/o informing anyone, and consider how often a page changes (i.e. if there's a real reason to take it into the wiki).'' -- JürgenHermann [[DateTime(2002-07-16T03:54:04)]] ''I think the editors page is an excellent candidate for moving, as it will lower the bar for contributing new editors, configurations for editors, etc. I'll mail the python.org webmasters and see what their response is.'' -- -- JohannesGijsbers [[DateTime(2002-07-17T15:20:31)]]. Discussions about Python should be held on comp.lang.python and the SIGs, but it is OK to summary those discussions in the wiki. -- DanielDittmar [[DateTime(2002-07-15T02:21:48)]] |
Imposing (widely accepted) structure is not unwiki, actually it is a goal of refactoring. Otherwise, you end up with a spaghetti wiki, i.e. chaos. -- jh ---- Discussions about Python should be held on comp.lang.python and the SIGs, but it is OK to summarize those discussions in the wiki. -- DanielDittmar [[DateTime(2002-07-15T02:21:48)]] |
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| Imposing (widely accepted) structure is not unwiki, actually it is a goal of refactoring. Otherwise, you end up with a spaghetti wiki, i.e. chaos. -- jh | That still means that you can capture from news, or from the wiki itself. Both ways are valid, but always refactoring/summarizing is A Good Thing. -- JürgenHermann [[DateTime(2002-07-17T21:24:51)]] What kind of conversation are we talking about? * Philosophy - I don't care where it goes (usenet, here, C2, elsewhere) * "How does this piece work?" - it works great here "How does this work" has been great. If you need me to back this up for you, I can back it up with many anecdotes; Most of the pages I write here have seen some related action. People tell me that they read and use (and correct) my pages, and it'd be sad to see that come to an end. The only thing that annoys me are pages with questions for names. Instead, the page name should be the name of the piece, and then the question should appear on the page. That is, [[How can "normal" users report bugs in Python or the documentation?]] should be a page called PythonDocumentation, and then the question attached to ''that'' page. -- LionKimbro [[DateTime(2005-09-15T22:31:31Z)]] ---- I think this Wiki would best serve as continuing from where standard Python documentation left off: showing examples of use, adding information about good packages not existing in the standard distribution, and talking about higher-level stuff like 'tips for parallel processing'. Examples are very important for newcomers, and hey, many people like to learn new things first from examples, and dive into reference when details become important (including me). As for discussing Python in general, I think c.l.p is invaluable and needs no replacement - so I guess I'm along the same lines as DanielDittmar and JürgenHermann. -- EdvardMajakari [[DateTime(2005-09-15T15:14:13Z)]] |
News / Changes
Date(2004-07-25T02:19:08Z) - updated to 1.2.3, made custom layout into a theme
Date(2003-04-29T20:24:59Z) - updated to rev 1.173
Date(2003-03-30T15:56:33Z) - updated to CVS and refreshed the help pages
Date(2003-03-13T00:13:44Z) - activated edit locks (warnings only for now); time handling changed to use UTC, so you have to adapt your user (timezone) settings
Date(2003-03-07T17:35:38) - update from cvs should have fixed RecentChanges problems for anon users; installing PyXML should have fixed any RSS problems
Date(2003-02-13T00:46:26) - update to rev 1.168, which especially means backups on editor submits for people having a homepage, and spam protection via the MailTo macro
Date(2003-02-07T20:44:54) - update to CVS head
Date(2002-12-29T15:29:08) - Split up the too large frontpage into multiple head pages.
- updated to CVS current (rev 1.166)
- Friday the 13th lived up to the promise... several bugs fixed
linksThatStartWithLowerCase are not links anymore, thus boost.python/InternalDataStructures stopped to work; but ["boost.python/InternalDataStructures"] works, and on the ["boost.python"] page, /InternalDataStructures works too (i.e. use the short form of subpage links).
Date(2002-11-21T06:16:54) - updated to CVS current (rev 1.163)
Date(2002-11-06T22:40:50) - You can now refer to PEPs like so: PEP:0123 -> 0123
Date(2002-08-02T00:19:27) - Outgoing mail works now
Things that need doing, unless they're done
- We need a mission statement on the front page. What it's for, who can/should participate.
- Need to create a discussion / ask for help section(s).
Discussion
Unfortunately, the ISBN links point to amazon.com, not amazon.de -- DanielDittmar
Well, this is hardly surprising in an English wiki. You can use full http links, though. -- JürgenHermann DateTime(2002-07-26T02:01:40)
I wasn't surprised, but I was thinking of adding ISBN.de http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/ to intermap.txt (now that I found how ISBN works). -- DanielDittmar DateTime(2002-07-26T21:14:18)
Some ideas about the aims of this wiki:
What I would like to use this Wiki for is for comparisons between Python packages. Most areas seem to have multiple solutions. Is it very unwiki to impose some structure like I did in WebProgramming and trying to keep it up? GuiProgramming and IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages are also candidates for this kind of style. -- DanielDittmar DateTime(2002-07-15T02:21:48)
Imposing (widely accepted) structure is not unwiki, actually it is a goal of refactoring. Otherwise, you end up with a spaghetti wiki, i.e. chaos. -- jh
Discussions about Python should be held on comp.lang.python and the SIGs, but it is OK to summarize those discussions in the wiki. -- DanielDittmar DateTime(2002-07-15T02:21:48)
The entire point of a wiki is to capture discussion in such a way that it will be remembered IMO - dhl 20020716
That still means that you can capture from news, or from the wiki itself. Both ways are valid, but always refactoring/summarizing is A Good Thing. -- JürgenHermann DateTime(2002-07-17T21:24:51)
What kind of conversation are we talking about?
- Philosophy - I don't care where it goes (usenet, here, C2, elsewhere)
- "How does this piece work?" - it works great here
"How does this work" has been great. If you need me to back this up for you, I can back it up with many anecdotes; Most of the pages I write here have seen some related action. People tell me that they read and use (and correct) my pages, and it'd be sad to see that come to an end.
The only thing that annoys me are pages with questions for names. Instead, the page name should be the name of the piece, and then the question should appear on the page. That is, How can "normal" users report bugs in Python or the documentation? should be a page called PythonDocumentation, and then the question attached to that page.
-- LionKimbro DateTime(2005-09-15T22:31:31Z)
I think this Wiki would best serve as continuing from where standard Python documentation left off: showing examples of use, adding information about good packages not existing in the standard distribution, and talking about higher-level stuff like 'tips for parallel processing'. Examples are very important for newcomers, and hey, many people like to learn new things first from examples, and dive into reference when details become important (including me). As for discussing Python in general, I think c.l.p is invaluable and needs no replacement - so I guess I'm along the same lines as DanielDittmar and JürgenHermann. -- EdvardMajakari DateTime(2005-09-15T15:14:13Z)