(1:57:21 PM) mw-home: hi catherine

(1:57:34 PM) mw-home is now known as matt-wilson

(1:58:30 PM) catherinedevlin: hi!

(1:58:49 PM) catherinedevlin: it's about time, I'll send a reminder email to -organizers now

(2:00:35 PM) catherinedevlin: so let's see... locations

(2:00:41 PM) catherinedevlin: matt, remind me what city you're in?

(2:02:03 PM) matt-wilson: cleveland

(2:02:15 PM) catherinedevlin: figures. no CMH people!

(2:02:44 PM) martinh [n=heller@spiteos.wacked.org] entered the room.

(2:02:50 PM) catherinedevlin: anyway, I'd like to try for OSU next year, but I don't know how to get the attention of anybody with authority there.

(2:03:02 PM) catherinedevlin: short of staging a sit-in

(2:03:37 PM) martinh: has someone tried contacting their computer science people?

(2:03:44 PM) catherinedevlin: there's only one .ohio.edu address in our registrant list, and I forgot to ask him if he is/knows anybody Important there

(2:04:02 PM) catherinedevlin: martin, I tried last year, but only with out-of-the-blue email, and got ignored (I think)

(2:04:19 PM) siddfinch [i=mek@faeroes.freeshell.ORG] entered the room.

(2:04:33 PM) catherinedevlin: need to find or make a personal connection somehow... ideas on that?

(2:06:08 PM) martinh: the medical school would be easy for me. but we should see about the computer science department.

(2:06:27 PM) catherinedevlin: do you know somebody over there, martin?

(2:06:41 PM) matthewarnold [n=mattarno@adsl-75-46-162-109.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net] entered the room.

(2:06:49 PM) martinh: yea.

(2:07:01 PM) catherinedevlin: that would be absolutely fantastic!

(2:07:07 PM) martinh: i'll see if he knows anyone in the computer science area.

(2:07:09 PM) matthewarnold: hi, this is Matt Arnold from Detroit.

(2:07:24 PM) catherinedevlin: oh, yeah, maybe we should do a round of intros.

(2:07:29 PM) catherinedevlin: matt did our program guide, w00t!

(2:07:54 PM) matthewarnold: hello. Who else is here?

(2:07:55 PM) siddfinch: Doesn't somebody from OSU usually have a booth at Ohio LinuxFest ?

(2:08:07 PM) siddfinch: I'll see if I can get a connect from them.

(2:08:10 PM) matthewarnold: I know Catherine, but who else am I speaking to?

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(2:08:53 PM) martinh: i'm martin!

(2:09:08 PM) matthewarnold: Martin, what' s your involvement with PyOhio?

(2:09:29 PM) martinh: right now just lurking. seeing if I can help.

(2:09:34 PM) matthewarnold: cool

(2:09:44 PM) martinh: and still probably not going next year, if it's in the same time frame.

(2:10:08 PM) martinh: but, in general, i'm in ClePy and also a leader of nooss.org

(2:10:28 PM) siddfinch: I'm Mat, I help Martin with nooss.org

(2:10:40 PM) matthewarnold: Hi, Mat.

(2:10:47 PM) martinh: if you've been to linuxfest, you've seen us.

(2:11:12 PM) matthewarnold: I went to OLF last year to run a Penguicon booth.

(2:11:40 PM) martinh: then you probably even talked to us. we're the ones who do the live webcast from there.

(2:11:53 PM) catherinedevlin: excellent... an OLF booth is one of the things I wanted to discuss

(2:12:22 PM) matthewarnold: oh, yes. I assisted Tux with his interview with a couple of live webcasts.

(2:13:02 PM) matthewarnold: I started a new software project for conference schedulers. It's in TurboGears and has two developers, not counting me (as I am more of the knowledge domain specialist and requirements designer). If PyOhio could use such an app, we would welcome more developers. http://crem.miscellaneouswhatnot.net/trac/

(2:13:07 PM) siddfinch: I would highly recommend a OLF booth ... good way to get the word out and probably help in finding some sponsers .. if you go that way.

(2:13:25 PM) catherinedevlin: topics I wanted to talk about: 1. Venue 2. Date 3. LinuxFest 4. Sponsorship... others?

(2:14:08 PM) catherinedevlin: awesome, Matthew! Is that for behind-the-scenes scheduling, or presentation to registrants, or both?

(2:14:35 PM) catherinedevlin: you've got DOCUMENTATION! dear Lord, can it be?

(2:16:14 PM) catherinedevlin: so anyway. Back to Venue - Mat and Martin, both of your help in contacting someone Powerful at OSU would be so very very welcome - I will nag by email

(2:16:24 PM) catherinedevlin: other venue possibilities:

(2:16:32 PM) matthewarnold: yeah, I like to write documentation

(2:16:56 PM) catherinedevlin: I Have Heard that some hotels will provide their meeting space for free if you book enough rooms. We did have a lot more hotel-stayers than I expected, so that could work.

(2:17:01 PM) siddfinch: Give me until next week, I have to do some PR for OLF the rest of this week, my time will be limited.

(2:17:27 PM) catherinedevlin: hotel advantage: people can hang around comfortably late into the night

(2:17:52 PM) catherinedevlin: hotel disadvantage: they usually insist on their own caterers for food ( = $$$ ) (but maybe we can find an exception to that)

(2:18:00 PM) catherinedevlin: other thoughts on using a hotel?

(2:18:35 PM) matthewarnold: well, it worked for Midwest ConStruction. They're pretty small, and used a small hotel.

(2:18:54 PM) matthewarnold: but they also had no food whatsoever.

(2:19:29 PM) matthewarnold: Maybe you can get a sponsor to pay for a suite. that way you have a consuite?

(2:19:40 PM) catherinedevlin: letting people buy their own lunches isn't terrible if there are places right there

(2:19:44 PM) catherinedevlin: hmmm, a consuite

(2:19:54 PM) matthewarnold: because they don't care what food you have in the hotel rooms, only in function space.

(2:20:00 PM) catherinedevlin: don't we need funny costumes then?

(2:20:21 PM) matthewarnold: I'll bring Tux and you'll be all set.

(2:20:27 PM) siddfinch: Martin always has the funny mask on, does that count?

(2:20:56 PM) matthewarnold: *checks the rules* yes it does. You're golden.

(2:21:39 PM) catherinedevlin: ok, it sounds like it's worth checking. any specific hotels to suggest? craig maloney blogged that he stayed in the doubletree and it was awesome.

(2:22:09 PM) catherinedevlin: is there any less tedious way to query a city's hotels than calling one-by-one? there are a lot of hotels in columbus

(2:22:29 PM) martinh: i tayed in a doubletree at pycon. it was very nice.

(2:23:46 PM) dstanek: hello all

(2:23:49 PM) catherinedevlin: and back on the schools idea - anybody else have any contacts (or know how to get them) at any other CMH schools?

(2:24:02 PM) matthewarnold: I'm trying to look up which hotel Midwest ConStruction used. It was in Columbus or just outside it.

(2:24:38 PM) catherinedevlin: hi dave!

(2:25:56 PM) matthewarnold: oh cool. Not only did I find the hotel, but there are pictures of me. :) http://www.midamericon.org/photoarchive/04construct1.htm

(2:26:31 PM) catherinedevlin: ok, they're on the list!

(2:26:45 PM) catherinedevlin: other venue suggestions?

(2:27:18 PM) matthewarnold: I can assure you I have no contacts with schools in Ohio.

(2:27:29 PM) diordna [n=diordna@] entered the room.

(2:27:38 PM) dstanek: catherinedevlin: i haven't heard from M$ but i hope to by end of next week

(2:27:41 PM) diordna: Greetings.

(2:27:46 PM) dstanek: i think my contact is on vacation

(2:27:48 PM) diordna: Sorry I'm late.

(2:28:01 PM) catherinedevlin: oh, I'd forgotten that! thanks, dave.

(2:28:27 PM) catherinedevlin: np, diordna - don't recognize your handle.

(2:28:31 PM) diordna: Steve Johnson

(2:28:38 PM) catherinedevlin: thanks!

(2:29:07 PM) catherinedevlin: ok, throw in other venue thoughts anytime, but in the meantime we can go on to Schedule.

(2:29:20 PM) catherinedevlin: sounds like unanimous acclaim on the mailing list for the "2 day" idea

(2:29:33 PM) diordna: Yep.

(2:29:44 PM) diordna: (Also, good on the venue.)

(2:29:56 PM) catherinedevlin: i'm thinking: start late on Day #1 (11:00 or 12:00) so people won't feel like they need to stay a SECOND night

(2:30:23 PM) matthewarnold: sure.

(2:30:26 PM) diordna: Good plan, but I'd say more like 10:30.

(2:31:06 PM) matthewarnold: before moving it to 10:30 AM, try to evaluate the average distance of our attendees.

(2:31:11 PM) matthewarnold: in terms of drive time.

(2:31:30 PM) catherinedevlin: Should we stick with a summer weekend (Saturday-Sunday)? Move it to adjoining to Ohio LinuxFest 2009?

(2:31:43 PM) diordna: I'd put average drive time at 3 hours.

(2:31:56 PM) diordna: Probably less.

(2:31:58 PM) catherinedevlin: {'NH': 1, 'OH': 63, 'MI': 4, 'NY': 1, 'PA': 1, 'IL': 2, 'IN': 5, 'KY': 2}

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('IL - BLOOMINGTON', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('IL - CHICAGO', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('IN - COLUMBUS', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('IN - INDIANAPOLIS', 3)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('IN - MUNCIE', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('KY - LEXINGTON', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('KY - LOUISVILLE', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('MI - DETROIT', 2)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('MI - METROPLEX', 2)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('NH - MANCHESTER', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('NY - JAMESTOWN', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - AKRON', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - CANTON', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - CINCINNATI', 5)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - CLEVELAND', 17)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - COLUMBUS', 34)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - DAYTON', 3)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - LIMA', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('OH - TOLEDO', 1)

(2:32:13 PM) catherinedevlin: ('PA - PITTSBURGH', 1)

(2:32:33 PM) diordna: The outliers would stay 2 nights anyhow.

(2:33:10 PM) catherinedevlin: we can put something not-quite-a-must-see in the first timeslot

(2:33:29 PM) matthewarnold: OLF is always in October, right?

(2:33:33 PM) catherinedevlin: some of our long-distance drivers are the ones I least want to kill off with fatigue (speakers, organizers, etc.)

(2:34:30 PM) catherinedevlin: matthewarnold: yes, I think, so that would mean pushing it into the Fall. It's an idea we pondered but rejected last time, but could ponder again if people are interested. I think our main motive last time was impatience.

(2:34:36 PM) diordna: Right, but a 30 minute time push is hardly a deal breaker.

(2:34:40 PM) jleedev [i=left@goto.EECS.CWRU.Edu] entered the room.

(2:35:05 PM) matthewarnold: hi, jleedev

(2:35:17 PM) diordna: welcome, my esteemed colleague Josh Lee.

(2:35:31 PM) catherinedevlin: plus abutting OLF means we'd need to run on weekdays, which is great for me (my boss is a softie) but might be a serious problem for others

(2:35:45 PM) diordna: Serious problem if it's in the fall.

(2:35:47 PM) diordna: School.

(2:35:53 PM) matthewarnold: weekdays are probably out of the question for most people.

(2:36:02 PM) jleedev: hi

(2:36:02 PM) catherinedevlin: so... summer weekend still?

(2:36:38 PM) diordna: Looks like it. The time this year worked out well for me, and from the number of attendees, I think it worked for others too.

(2:36:45 PM) jleedev: is winter weekend a possibility?

(2:37:10 PM) catherinedevlin: august was unavailable last time b/c of Library's scheduling policy. June was too soon for us to prepare. Those are both on the table again, though, for 2009. June/July/August, thoughts?

(2:37:13 PM) matthewarnold: I'd pick a summer weekend.

(2:37:49 PM) catherinedevlin: jleedev: winter has CodeMash (January - Sandusky) and prep for PyCon (March), so I prefer summer

(2:39:44 PM) catherinedevlin: oh, cycling back around to something Dave mentioned: he's going to check the possibility of the Microsoft office hosting us. Think we need to worry about FOSS zealots shrivelling and dying at the thought?

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(2:43:29 PM) matthewarnold: Make it July 25 for the sake of consistent predictability.

(2:43:44 PM) catherinedevlin1: sorry, lost stupid connection, hate dialup, hate stupid net policies at work

(2:43:59 PM) matthewarnold: I sympathize.

(2:44:19 PM) matthewarnold: you didn't miss anything, though.

(2:46:50 PM) catherinedevlin1: ok, next topic - Ohio LinuxFest. I'm psyched to do a booth. Who could help staff it? (You're excused if you already have OLF duties.) What should we do at it?

(2:47:17 PM) matthewarnold: sorry, I'm excused for Penguicon booth duties.

(2:47:34 PM) matthewarnold: are there PyOhio photos or movies?

(2:47:58 PM) catherinedevlin1: hey, some people were taking photos, but I never heard anything about where they went to. Hmm.

(2:48:48 PM) catherinedevlin1: I can definitely run a Python Sweetness slideshow from DellZilla, my laptop with an excessively hideously dangerously large screen

(2:49:02 PM) matthewarnold: good idea.

(2:49:11 PM) matthewarnold: you can take registrations of course. Need a form?

(2:49:21 PM) catherinedevlin1: ooh, good idea - sure!

(2:49:42 PM) catherinedevlin1: how about cheap swag? I'm asking about Python stickers like they gave out at PyCon

(2:49:55 PM) matthewarnold: if you can get it, sure.

(2:50:07 PM) catherinedevlin1: any other cheap swag ideas?

(2:50:31 PM) catherinedevlin1: A one-page Getting Started with Python handout would be good, if anybody knows a really nice one

(2:50:32 PM) matthewarnold: talk recordings on CD, with permission of the presenters.

(2:50:57 PM) matthewarnold: I've got a duplicator. If PyOhio can pay for the blank media in advance, I'll bring them.

(2:51:09 PM) catherinedevlin1: alas that we don't have any originals to duplicate.

(2:51:25 PM) catherinedevlin1: but that's a good idea for next time around!

(2:52:21 PM) matthewarnold: is there a PyOhio banner?

(2:52:33 PM) matthewarnold: I might find time to paint one.

(2:52:40 PM) catherinedevlin1: ooooooooooh

(2:52:47 PM) catherinedevlin1: that would be great

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(2:54:36 PM) catherinedevlin1: ok, and last thing I have on my list: sponsorship

(2:54:55 PM) matthewarnold: I have no earthly clue.

(2:55:09 PM) catherinedevlin1: yeah, this was a Challenge last time.

(2:55:18 PM) matthewarnold: (is there anyone in this conversation other than us?)

(2:56:15 PM) catherinedevlin1: hmm... maybe that means "no"

(2:57:10 PM) matthewarnold: :)

(2:57:44 PM) matthewarnold: I have some sponsorship guys working on Penguicon, but it was probably the hardest thing about the convention last year.

(2:58:08 PM) catherinedevlin1: so I think we can say we're done, though I'll keep my window open till the next time my modem connection dies

(2:58:19 PM) catherinedevlin1: thanks so much, matthew!

(2:58:25 PM) matthewarnold: You're welcome!

(2:58:41 PM) catherinedevlin1: yeah, the day will come when they BEG us to sponsor. :) but not quite yet

(2:59:39 PM) catherinedevlin1: (seriously, I've watched national PyCon go from "Does anybody know anyone hiring Python people? Anyone? Anyone?" to "enough of the recruiters, already! Get them off!" in four years. We're just a little slow here in the interior.)

(2:59:41 PM) matthewarnold: talk to Michael Meffie, if he's still running LinuxFest

(3:00:34 PM) catherinedevlin1: david did say that AGI might kick in a lot more if we ask them to. I just prefer the idea of a broader sponsorship base

(3:00:38 PM) catherinedevlin1: OK, I'll ask him

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(3:17:21 PM) wamcvey [n=wam@] entered the room.

(3:18:07 PM) wamcvey: Hmm... looks like the "meeting" has concluded.

(3:21:09 PM) catherinedevlin1: hi, wamcvey! (William?0 I'm still around

(3:21:31 PM) catherinedevlin1: you should be able to check the log & see if you have anything to comment on

(3:21:31 PM) wamcvey: Yep, this is William.

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(3:22:01 PM) catherinedevlin1: various thoughts on place, date, LinuxFest

(3:22:13 PM) wamcvey: hmm, the log is where? (perhaps if there is an archive of the channel, we could set that to be the channel topic?)

(3:23:34 PM) catherinedevlin1: in Pigeon, you can click Conversation / View Log from the menu

(3:23:49 PM) catherinedevlin1: I don't think the archive gets put into a URL or anything

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(3:24:03 PM) wamcvey: But that's only a client side log that exists if you're on the channel...

(3:24:17 PM) catherinedevlin1: oh, drat. I see.

(3:24:19 PM) catherinedevlin1: Hmm.

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