Wednesday 12 August
Participants: - Bernard - Pradyun - Sumana - Ernest - Georgia
Agenda:
- status/blockers
- Invoices on their way!!!
- Bernard - fine [shared update in Zulip]
- Georgia - fine
Nicole - not blocked (as far as Georgia+Bernard know
). Pradyun would like to make more progress with her on backtracking issue.... Pradyun will work with Bernard - Pradyun - made 20.2.2 bugfix. Next: triaging issues. Lots of support tickets.... NEXT WEEK, talk with Sumana about using automated testing to find likely bugs/problems in upstreams
- Have we recieved any responses to survey #989272 that we need to route over to Pradyun?
- Not looked at in 2 weeks -- we can give Pradyun direct access? Yes... as long as personally identifying information isn't made publicly available.
Pradyun: when transferring issues to GitHub, anonymize
- TODO: Bernard to give Pradyun direct access
- "don't expect it to be a firehose"
- Have we recieved any responses to survey #989272 that we need to route over to Pradyun?
- Sumana - Have put some time toward spreading the word (Twitter + personally to people/media institutions). "Some dent, not enough".
- Thinking about: What else can we do?
- "earned media" -- people to notice what you're doing and talk about it.
- Thinking about: What else can we do?
- "who uses pip" research update
- Bernard: I put together a intial survey speaking w/ Nicole, about how we were going to do this research. Initially, thought of multiple surveys -- doing a single one instead (less logistical work).
- Pip disabiliy usability + who uses pip survey (single, combined)
- Initial "shallow" knowledge from the survey + asking about a 20-30 minute interview?
- First part: About you -- how long have you been using pip, what do you use it for, and so on.
- Second part: If pip users have any kinds of disability? What effects do those have on their usage of pip? + Assitive Technologies (usage w/ pip or Python)
- Kinds of disabilities (in this context): Motor/Visual/Hearing/Cognitive.
- Important to understand, since they have an impact [snip]
- Piloted w/ 65 people?
- to check that there's no offensive language/references etc
- got 8 responses. Nobody said it's offensive.
- sent to accessibility folks I know personall.
- Have n? people willing to have a longer call -- scheduling now.
- 210 people more will be contacted (i.e. who are signed up for "i want to take a survey")
- panel
List of surveys, in progress: https://www.notion.so/simplysecure/b46a0992ba8548cf988200cb2a02636b?v=beba10f184b647aa87c207e832f645b4
- to check that there's no offensive language/references etc
- 3 personas
- Python software user, or
- Python package maintainer, or
- Python software maker
- automated usage of pip (CI) vs interactive usage (command line)
- Too early to give any large understand (6-8 responses yet)
- request to advertise it as widely as possible
- We need to get more people to sign up for the UX Studies panel (instead of sending out this particular survey to everyone)... more organized and structured approach.
In general, in wide-ranging publicity, let's get people to sign up for the panel. In a few limited circumstances, we will direct specific audiences to specific surveys, e.g., in ResolutionImpossible error message. But that will be the exception.
- Sumana: want to write the script for the video over the next few days (ideating right now, thanks for the inputs)
- Using sponsors
- PSF Sponsors should get a heads-up about new pip resolver (like PyPI's roll-out) to test it.
- signal-boost it?
- Ernest: agree! Likely needs co-ordination w/ Betsy.
- Sumana: turn-around time?
- Ernest: assuming [bunch of things like content are done], a week?
Sumana: There's PyCon sponsors and PyPI sponsors... [pradyun is slow note taker]
- Ernest: there's 2 or 3, overlap otherwise.
- TODO: Sumana: de-duplicate and provide a list of all these companies, to Betsy
- Ernest/Sumana: might be worth to see/repeat what we did for the PyPI rollout
- Ernest: that might be the best avenue (via the Packaging WG, Ernest to nudge Betsy to take this forward)
- Where would be the dream places where it would be great to get attention for this?
- Georgia: might be worth asking PSF staff about getting a better sense about good comms channels, toward answering this question.
- Ernest: we don't have an analysis/lists for something like this.
- TODO: Ernest to look at Blogger's metrics/analytics on the recent pip blog posts on PSF blog and blog.python.org (where it got shared) and similar.
- Looks like we have *no* analytics anymore, since it got overhauled on Blogger's end.
- Google Trends - check it out to see who is talking about pip and where
Bernard: has gone to AdaFruit, CoderDojo, Raspberry Pi Foundation, emailed their mentors/community and explained [context and ask]. We need people who are respected and well-known in these communities to say "let's do this because it will benefit us" What we need essentially: people in different communities who have "respect and trust" of those communities to advertise it.
- Different places we can go to advertise: we have a good idea. But we need respected people to vouch for us
- some ideas: developer.moz, Twitter/Google/Facebook/ Amazon, Jira/Atlassian developer relations, Jetbrains,
disability association (and "tech. usage subgroups" - I'm contacing disability organisations in UK, IE), "respected/famous" Python developers (Guido WassHisName?!)
- would be nice if tech celebrities would tweet it
- TODO - Sumana to follow up on Zulip today
- Georgia: might be worth asking PSF staff about getting a better sense about good comms channels, toward answering this question.
- 20.2 cycle, bugfixes, etc. going through early October
- Basically done, I think. Can do more (20.2.3 and so on) if we have things to change/add.
Pradyun will be assiduous about placing relevant issues in the To Do Before Prod column in the GitHub board on the resolver rollout
- TODO in a 1:1 call Pradyun-Sumana next week: look through that column and start to see the road to October