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This page lists features that GvR has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0. This page lists features that ''Guido van Rossum himself'' has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0.  Parts of this page have been consolidated into PEP 3000 [[#e 5]]
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(Another list is at PythonThreeDotOh, but it incorporates items that GvR has never talked about.) If you have suggestions or comments for Python 3000, please add them to ["Python3.0Suggestions"].
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 * Reduce feature duplication:
   * string module vs. string methods
   * xrange() vs range()
   * int vs. long
   * 8 bit vs. Unicode strings
   * map/filter/reduce vs. list comprehensions
   * lambda vs. def
 * Library reorganization
 * Return iterators instead of lists
   * d.keys(), .values(), .items()
   * range(), zip(), map(), filter()
 * Consume iterators
   * min(), max()
 * Optional static typing?
 * Support only new-style classes; classic classes will be gone.
 * Remove string exceptions, `x` for repr(x), sys.exc_type, coerce(), other deprecated stuff
 * print as a function -- write(x,y,z), writeln(x,y,z)
== Core Language Changes ==
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See the "Python Regrets" talk and other recent presentations by Guido.  * Remove distinction between `int` and `long` types. [[#d 4]]
 * Make true division the default behavior. [[#d 4]]
 * Make all strings unicode [[#d 4]], and have a separate `bytes` [[#b 2]] type. [[#m 13]]
 * Make the `exec` statement a function again. [[#a 1]]
 * Remove old-style classes. [[#d 4]]
 * Replace the `print` statement with a function or functions. (e.g. `write(x, y, z), writeline(x, y, z)`) [[#a 1]] [[#u 21]]
 * Make `as` a real keyword. [[#g 7]]
 * Add an attribute to exceptions for storing the traceback. [[#v 22]]
 * Remove `raise Exception, 'message'` syntax in favor of `raise Exception('message')`. [[#k 11]] [[#t 20]]
 * Require that the first statement of a suite be on its own line. [[#a 1]]
 * Make `True` and `False` keywords. [[#f 6]]
   * Reason: make assignment to them impossible.
 * Raise an exception when making comparisons (other than equality and inequality) between two incongruent types. [[#x 24]]
   * Reason: such comparisons do not make sense and are especially confusing to new users of Python.
 * Require that all exceptions inherit a common base class. [[#i 9]]
   * Reason: forces the use of classes as objects raised by exceptions and simplifies the implementation.
 * Make the traceback a standard attribute of Exception instances [[#r 18]]
   * Reason: inconvenient to pass the (type, value, traceback) triple that currently represents an exception around.
 * Remove {{{`x`}}}. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `repr(x)`.
   * Reason: backticks are hard to read in many fonts and can be mangled by typesetting software.
 * Remove the `<>` operator.
   * Instead: use `!=`.
 * Remove the `lambda` statement. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use a local function.
   * Reason: `lambda` supports only one expression.
 * Remove support for string exceptions. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use a class.
 * Add a mechanism so that multiple exceptions can be caught using `except E1, E2, E3:`. For instance: {{{
#!python
except E1, E2, E3 as err: # Store error variable
   ...
}}} (Added by GvR, suggested by Bram Cohen.)
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== Rearrangements ==   ''JimD's suggested syntax: {{{#!python
except (E1, E2, E3), e:
   ...
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intern(), id(): put in sys except E1, e:
   ...
}}} The `except` code would then basically do the equivalent of `if issubclass(arg1, Exception) or isinstance(arg1, Exception): ... else if len(arg1): ...` (excepting, obviously, that this is implemented at a lower level in the C core). --JimD''
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xrange(): make range() return an iterator  * Perhaps have optional declarations for static typing.
   * GvR suggested the syntax [[#q 17]]: (but NOT for static typing - for declaring type information that would be checked at runtime, not compile time) {{{
#!python
def bar(low: int, high: int) -> float:
    ...
}}}
   * Since some types only implement parts of an interface have 'strict' and 'lax' interfaces. Strict requires a complete implementation of the interface, lax requiring only a partial implementation with the rest being taken from interface defaults or ignored. This would require a new keyword/reserved word (strict) with lax mode being the default. This is to help duck typing. Ex: {{{
#!python
def baz(x as list, y as strict file):
    # x must only (be adapted to) implement part of the list interface
    # y must (be adapted to) implement the whole file interface
}}}
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buffer(): must die (use bytes, PEP 296)    * Another proposal: Use -> and => as type conversion operators (lax and strict, respectively). {{{
#!python
def qux(x -> list, y => file):
    # x must only (be adapted to) implement part of the list interface
    # y must (be adapted to) implement the whole file interface
}}}
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raw_input(): use sys.stdin.readline() == Built-In Changes ==
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input(): use eval(sys.stdin.readline())

callable(): just call it, already

execfile(), reload(): use exec()

compile(): put in sys

exec as a statement is not worth it -- make it a function
 * Have `range()`, `zip()`, `dict.keys()`, `dict.items()`, and `dict.values()` return iterators.
 * Move `compile()`, `intern()` and `id()` to the `sys` module. [[#a 1]]
 * Change `max()` and `min()` to consume iterators.
 * Remove `coerce()` as it is obsolete. [[#a 1]]
 * Introduce `trunc()`, which would call the `__trunc__()` method on its argument.
   * Reason: used for objects like `float`s where calling `__int__()` has data loss but an integral representation is still desired. [[#y 25]]
 * Remove `dict.iteritems()`, `dict.iterkeys()`, and `dict.itervalues()`.
   * Instead: use `dict.items()`, `dict.keys()`, and `dict.values()` respectively.
 * Remove `apply()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `f(*args, **kw)`.
 * Remove `xrange()`. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use `range()`.
 * Remove `map()` and `filter()`. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use list comprehensions.
 * Remove `reduce()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use a loop.
 * Remove `callable()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: catch the exception.
 * Remove `buffer()`. [[#a 1]] [[#b 2]]
   * Instead: use new `bytes` type.
 * Remove `raw_input()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `sys.stdin.readline()`.
 * Remove `input()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `eval(sys.stdin.readline())`.
 * Remove `execfile()` and `reload()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `exec()`.
 * Remove `basestring.find()` and `basestring.rfind()`. [[#w 23]]
   * Instead: use `basestring.index()` and `basestring.rindex()` in a `try/except` block.
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== Standard Library Changes ==
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 * Remove `string` module. [[#c 4]]
   * Instead: use string methods.
 * Remove `types` module.
   * Instead: use the types in `__builtins__`.
 * Remove other deprecated modules. [[#c 3]]
 * Remove `sys.exc_type`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `sys.exc_info`.
   * Reason: it is not thread safe.
 * Reorganize standard library to have more package structure.
   * Reason: there are too many modules to keep a flat hierarchy.


== Open Issues ==

 * `L += x` and `L.extend(x)` are equivalent.
 * Can the parameter order of the `insert` method be changed so the the index parameter is optional and `list.append` may be removed?
 * If only `Exception` subclasses can be `raise`d [[#i 9]], should the `raise` statement be kept? Could `x(y).raise()` be used instead?
 * Are `repr()` and `str()` both needed? [[#a 1]]
 * Should `globals()`, `locals()` and `vars()` be removed? [[#a 1]]
 * Should there be a keyword for allowing the shadowing of built-ins?
 * Should injecting into another module's global namespace be prevented?
 * If line continuations (`\`) are removed from the language [[#a 1]], what should be done about the instances where statements do not allow parentheses? Furthermore, the Python style guide [[#k 11]] recommends their usage in some cases.
 * Should `__cmp__` (and possibly `cmp()`) be removed? [[#h 8]]
   * Reason: ["TOOWTDI"] and rich comparisons are another way.
 * Should list comprehensions be equivalent to passing a generator expression to `list()`?
   * Reason: they are essentially the same and it would remove edge-case differences between them.
 * With a new string substitution scheme [[#n 14]], will old-style (`%(var)s`) substitutions be removed?
 * There are things in the `string` module that I think belong there, for example `string.letters` and `string.digits`. I don't think that all the string manipulations that we might include with the standard libraries need to be in the core interpreter (any more than I would condone putting the regular expression engine into the core). -- JimD
 * Should a `with` (or `using`) statement be added? [[#j 10]] [[#s 19]] {{{
#!python
with self:
    .foo = [1, 2, 3]
    .bar(4, .foo)
}}}


== References ==

 * [[Anchor(a)]] [1] Python Regrets: http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/regrets/PythonRegrets.pdf
 * [[Anchor(b)]] [2] PEP 296 -- Adding a bytes Object Type: http://python.org/peps/pep-0296.html
 * [[Anchor(c)]] [3] PEP 4 -- Deprecation of Standard Modules: http://python.org/peps/pep-0004.html
 * [[Anchor(d)]] [4] PyCon 2003 State of the Union Address: http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/pycon2003/pycon2003.ppt
 * [[Anchor(e)]] [5] PEP 3000 -- Python 3.0 Plans: http://python.org/peps/pep-3000.html
 * [[Anchor(f)]] [6] Python-Dev -- Constancy of None: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-July/046294.html
 * [[Anchor(g)]] [7] Python-Dev -- "as" to be a keyword?: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-July/046316.html
 * [[Anchor(h)]] [8] Python-Dev -- lists vs. tuples:
   * http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-March/034073.html
   * http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-March/034074.html
 * [[Anchor(i)]] [9] Python-Dev -- Exceptional inheritance patterns: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/047114.html
 * [[Anchor(j)]] [10] Python-Dev -- With statement: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-March/043545.html
 * [[Anchor(k)]] [11] PEP 8 -- Style Guide for Python Code: http://python.org/peps/pep-0008.html
 * [[Anchor(l)]] [12] PythonThreeDotOh
 * [[Anchor(m)]] [13] PEP 332 -- Byte vectors and String/Unicode Unification: http://python.org/peps/pep-0332.html
 * [[Anchor(n)]] [14] PEP 292 -- Simpler String Substitutions: http://python.org/peps/pep-0292.html
 * [[Anchor(p)]] [16] PEP 246 -- Object Adaption: http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0246.html
 * [[Anchor(q)]] [17] Python-Dev -- Decorators: vertical bar syntax: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/047424.html
 * [[Anchor(r)]] [18] Python-Dev -- anonymous blocks: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-April/053060.html
 * [[Anchor(s)]] [19] PEP 340 -- loose ends: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-May/053252.html
 * [[Anchor(t)]] [20] Python-Dev -- PEP 8: exception style: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-August/055190.html
 * [[Anchor(u)]] [21] Python-Dev -- Replacement for print in Python 3.0: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-September/056154.html
 * [[Anchor(v)]] [22] Python-Dev -- anonymous blocks: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-April/053060.html
 * [[Anchor(w)]] [23] Python-Dev -- Remove str.find in 3.0?: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-August/055705.html
 * [[Anchor(x)]] [24] Python-Dev -- Comparing heterogeneous types: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-June/045111.html
 * [[Anchor(y)]] [25] Python-Dev -- Fixing _PyEval_SliceIndex so that integer-like objects can be used: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-February/051674.html

This page lists features that Guido van Rossum himself has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0. Parts of this page have been consolidated into PEP 3000 #e 5

If you have suggestions or comments for Python 3000, please add them to ["Python3.0Suggestions"].

Core Language Changes

  • Remove distinction between int and long types. #d 4

  • Make true division the default behavior. #d 4

  • Make all strings unicode #d 4, and have a separate bytes #b 2 type. #m 13

  • Make the exec statement a function again. #a 1

  • Remove old-style classes. #d 4

  • Replace the print statement with a function or functions. (e.g. write(x, y, z), writeline(x, y, z)) #a 1 #u 21

  • Make as a real keyword. #g 7

  • Add an attribute to exceptions for storing the traceback. #v 22

  • Remove raise Exception, 'message' syntax in favor of raise Exception('message'). #k 11 #t 20

  • Require that the first statement of a suite be on its own line. #a 1

  • Make True and False keywords. #f 6

    • Reason: make assignment to them impossible.
  • Raise an exception when making comparisons (other than equality and inequality) between two incongruent types. #x 24

    • Reason: such comparisons do not make sense and are especially confusing to new users of Python.
  • Require that all exceptions inherit a common base class. #i 9

    • Reason: forces the use of classes as objects raised by exceptions and simplifies the implementation.
  • Make the traceback a standard attribute of Exception instances #r 18

    • Reason: inconvenient to pass the (type, value, traceback) triple that currently represents an exception around.
  • Remove `x`. #a 1

    • Instead: use repr(x).

    • Reason: backticks are hard to read in many fonts and can be mangled by typesetting software.
  • Remove the <> operator.

    • Instead: use !=.

  • Remove the lambda statement. #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use a local function.
    • Reason: lambda supports only one expression.

  • Remove support for string exceptions. #a 1

    • Instead: use a class.
  • Add a mechanism so that multiple exceptions can be caught using except E1, E2, E3:. For instance:

       1 except E1, E2, E3 as err:  # Store error variable
       2    ...
    
    (Added by GvR, suggested by Bram Cohen.)
    • JimD's suggested syntax:

         1 except (E1, E2, E3), e:
         2    ...
         3 
         4 except E1, e:
         5    ...
      

      The except code would then basically do the equivalent of if issubclass(arg1, Exception) or isinstance(arg1, Exception): ... else if len(arg1): ... (excepting, obviously, that this is implemented at a lower level in the C core). --JimD

  • Perhaps have optional declarations for static typing.
    • GvR suggested the syntax #q 17: (but NOT for static typing - for declaring type information that would be checked at runtime, not compile time)

         1 def bar(low: int, high: int) -> float:
         2     ...
      
    • Since some types only implement parts of an interface have 'strict' and 'lax' interfaces. Strict requires a complete implementation of the interface, lax requiring only a partial implementation with the rest being taken from interface defaults or ignored. This would require a new keyword/reserved word (strict) with lax mode being the default. This is to help duck typing. Ex:

         1 def baz(x as list, y as strict file):
         2     # x must only (be adapted to) implement part of the list interface
         3     # y must (be adapted to) implement the whole file interface 
      
    • Another proposal: Use -> and => as type conversion operators (lax and strict, respectively).

         1 def qux(x -> list, y => file):
         2     # x must only (be adapted to) implement part of the list interface
         3     # y must (be adapted to) implement the whole file interface 
      

Built-In Changes

  • Have range(), zip(), dict.keys(), dict.items(), and dict.values() return iterators.

  • Move compile(), intern() and id() to the sys module. #a 1

  • Change max() and min() to consume iterators.

  • Remove coerce() as it is obsolete. #a 1

  • Introduce trunc(), which would call the __trunc__() method on its argument.

    • Reason: used for objects like floats where calling __int__() has data loss but an integral representation is still desired. #y 25

  • Remove dict.iteritems(), dict.iterkeys(), and dict.itervalues().

    • Instead: use dict.items(), dict.keys(), and dict.values() respectively.

  • Remove apply(). #a 1

    • Instead: use f(*args, **kw).

  • Remove xrange(). #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use range().

  • Remove map() and filter(). #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use list comprehensions.
  • Remove reduce(). #a 1

    • Instead: use a loop.
  • Remove callable(). #a 1

    • Instead: catch the exception.
  • Remove buffer(). #a 1 #b 2

    • Instead: use new bytes type.

  • Remove raw_input(). #a 1

    • Instead: use sys.stdin.readline().

  • Remove input(). #a 1

    • Instead: use eval(sys.stdin.readline()).

  • Remove execfile() and reload(). #a 1

    • Instead: use exec().

  • Remove basestring.find() and basestring.rfind(). #w 23

    • Instead: use basestring.index() and basestring.rindex() in a try/except block.

Standard Library Changes

  • Remove string module. #c 4

    • Instead: use string methods.
  • Remove types module.

    • Instead: use the types in __builtins__.

  • Remove other deprecated modules. #c 3

  • Remove sys.exc_type. #a 1

    • Instead: use sys.exc_info.

    • Reason: it is not thread safe.
  • Reorganize standard library to have more package structure.
    • Reason: there are too many modules to keep a flat hierarchy.

Open Issues

  • L += x and L.extend(x) are equivalent.

  • Can the parameter order of the insert method be changed so the the index parameter is optional and list.append may be removed?

  • If only Exception subclasses can be raised #i 9, should the raise statement be kept? Could x(y).raise() be used instead?

  • Are repr() and str() both needed? #a 1

  • Should globals(), locals() and vars() be removed? #a 1

  • Should there be a keyword for allowing the shadowing of built-ins?
  • Should injecting into another module's global namespace be prevented?
  • If line continuations (\) are removed from the language #a 1, what should be done about the instances where statements do not allow parentheses? Furthermore, the Python style guide #k 11 recommends their usage in some cases.

  • Should __cmp__ (and possibly cmp()) be removed? #h 8

    • Reason: ["TOOWTDI"] and rich comparisons are another way.
  • Should list comprehensions be equivalent to passing a generator expression to list()?

    • Reason: they are essentially the same and it would remove edge-case differences between them.
  • With a new string substitution scheme #n 14, will old-style (%(var)s) substitutions be removed?

  • There are things in the string module that I think belong there, for example string.letters and string.digits. I don't think that all the string manipulations that we might include with the standard libraries need to be in the core interpreter (any more than I would condone putting the regular expression engine into the core). -- JimD

  • Should a with (or using) statement be added? #j 10 #s 19

       1 with self:
       2     .foo = [1, 2, 3]
       3     .bar(4, .foo)
    

References

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