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This page lists features that GvR has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0. This page lists features that ''Guido van Rossum himself'' has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0.  Parts of this page have been consolidated into PEP 3000 [[#e 5]]
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* Reduce feature duplication:
  - string module vs. string methods
  - xrange() vs range()
  - int vs. long
  - 8 bit vs. Unicode strings
  - map/filter vs. list comprehensions
  - lambda vs. def
* Library reorganization
* Return iterators instead of lists
  - d.keys(), .values(), .items()
  - range(), zip(), map(), filter()
* Consume iterators
  - min(), max()
* Optional static typing?
* Support only new-style classes; classic classes will be gone.
If you have suggestions or comments for Python 3000, please add them to ["Python3.0Suggestions"].
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== Core Language Changes ==

 * Remove distinction between `int` and `long` types. [[#d 4]]
   ''(With 2.4 released, this is mostly done? -- JimD)''
 * Make all strings unicode [[#d 4]], and have a separate `bytes` [[#b 2]] type. [[#m 13]]
 * Replace all old-style classes. [[#d 4]]
 * Make the `exec` statement a function (again.) [[#a 1]]
 * Make the `print` statement a function. (`write(x, y, z), writeline(x, y, z)`) [[#a 1]]
 * Add a mechanism so that multiple exceptions can be caught using `except E1, E2, E3:`. For instance: {{{
#!python
except E1, E2, E3 as err: # Store error variable
   ...
}}} (Added by GvR, suggested by Bram Cohen.)

  ''JimD's suggested syntax: {{{#!python
except (E1, E2, E3), e:
   ...

except E1, e:
   ...
}}} The `except` code would then basically do the equivalent of `if issubclass(arg1, Exception) or isinstance(arg1, Exception): ... else if len(arg1): ...` (excepting, obviously, that this is implemented at a lower level in the C core). --JimD''

 * Add a `with` statement: [[#j 10]] {{{
#!python
with self:
    .foo = [1, 2, 3]
    .bar(4, .foo)
}}}

  ''(I like this, but is the following too ugly for use until then?
   {{{
   #!python
    _ = self
    _.foo = [1, 2, 3]
    _.bar(4, _.foo)
    }}}
  ... seems quirky, but it does serve to remove most of the visual cluster of `self.`this and `self.`that which seems to be the primary benefit of the `with` statement.
   -- JimD)''

 * Remove {{{`x`}}}. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `repr(x)`.
   * Reason: backticks are hard to read in many fonts and can be mangled by typesetting software.
 * Remove the `<>` operator.
   * Instead: use `!=`.
 * Remove the `lambda` statement. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use a local function.
   * Reason: `lambda` supports only one statement.
 * Remove support for string exceptions. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use a class.
 * Perhaps have optional declarations for static typing.
   * One suggestion is to use an "as" keyword for this [[#o 15]] and for adaptation [[#p 16]]: {{{
#!python
# "x as y" means: adapt x to the y protocol

def foo (a as int, b as float) as float:
    a2 = a as float # Same as: adapt(a, float)
    ...
}}}
   * GvR suggested the syntax [[#q 17]]: {{{
#!python
def bar(low: int, high: int) -> float:
    ...
}}}

 * Make `as` a true keyword. [[#g 7]]
 * Make `True` and `False` keywords. [[#f 6]]
   * Reason: make assignment to them impossible.
 * Make true division default.
 * Raise an exception when making comparisons between two incongruent types (other than equality and inequality.)
   * Reason: such comparisons do not make sense and are especially confusing to new users of Python.
 * Require that all exceptions inherit a common base classs. [[#i 9]]
   * Reason: forces the use of classes as objects raised by exceptions and simplifies the implementation.
 * Require that the first statement of a suite be on its own line. [[#a 1]] {{{
#!python
if expression: statement

# -->

if expression:
    statement
}}}



== Built-In Changes ==

 * Have `range()`, `zip()`, `dict.keys()`, `dict.items()`, and `dict.values()` return iterators.
 * Move `compile()`, `intern()` and `id()` to the `sys` module. [[#a 1]]
 * Change `max()` and `min()` to consume iterators.
 * Remove `coerce()` as it is obsolete. [[#a 1]]
 * Remove `dict.iteritems()`, `dict.iterkeys()`, and `dict.itervalues()`.
   * Instead: use `dict.items()`, `dict.keys()`, and `dict.values()` respectively.
 * Remove `apply()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `f(*args, **kw)`.
 * Remove `xrange()`. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use `range()`.
 * Remove `map()` and `filter()`. [[#a 1]] [[#d 4]]
   * Instead: use list comprehensions.
 * Remove `reduce()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use a loop.
 * Remove `callable()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: catch the exception.
 * Remove `buffer()`. [[#a 1]] [[#b 2]]
   * Instead: use new `bytes` type.
 * Remove `raw_input()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `sys.stdin.readline()`.
 * Remove `input()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `eval(sys.stdin.readline())`.
 * Remove `execfile()` and `reload()`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `exec()`.


== Standard Library Changes ==

 * Remove `string` module. [[#c 4]]
   * Instead: use string methods.
      ''There are things in the `string` module that I think belong there, for example `string.letters` and `string.digits`. I don't think that all the string manipulations that we might include with the standard libraries need to be in the core interpreter (any more than I would condone putting the regular expression engine into the core). --JimD''
 * Remove `types` module.
   * Instead: use the types in `__builtins__`.
 * Remove other deprecated modules. [[#c 3]]
 * Remove `sys.exc_type`. [[#a 1]]
   * Instead: use `sys.exc_info`.
   * Reason: it is not thread safe.
 * Reorganize standard library to have more package structure.
   * Reason: there are too many modules to keep a flat hierarchy.


== Open Issues ==

 * `L += x` and `L.extend(x)` are equivalent.
 * Can the parameter order of the `insert` method be changed so the the index parameter is optional and `list.append` may be removed?
 * Should the `raise x, y` syntax be removed as to favor `raise x(y)`?
 * If only `Exception` subclasses can be `raise`d [[#i 9]], should the `raise` statement be kept? Could `x(y).raise()` be used instead?
 * Are `repr()` and `str()` both needed? [[#a 1]]
 * Should `globals()`, `locals()` and `vars()` be removed? [[#a 1]]
 * Should there be a keyword for allowing the shadowing of built-ins?
 * Should injecting into another module's global namespace be prevented?
 * If line continuations (`\`) are removed from the language [[#a 1]], what should be done about the instances where statements do not allow parentheses? Furthermore, the Python style guide [[#k 11]] recommends their usage in some cases.
 * Should `__cmp__` (and possibly `cmp()`) be removed? [[#h 8]]
   * Reason: ["TOOWTDI"] and rich comparisons are another way.
 * Should list comprehensions be equivalent to passing a generator expression to `list()`?
   * Reason: they are essentially the same and it would remove edge-case differences between them.
 * With a new string substitution scheme [[#n 14]], will old-style (`%(var)s`) substitutions be removed?


== References ==

 * [[Anchor(a)]] [1] Python Regrets: http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/regrets/PythonRegrets.pdf
 * [[Anchor(b)]] [2] PEP 296 -- Adding a bytes Object Type: http://python.org/peps/pep-0296.html
 * [[Anchor(c)]] [3] PEP 4 -- Deprecation of Standard Modules: http://python.org/peps/pep-0004.html
 * [[Anchor(d)]] [4] PyCon 2003 State of the Union Address: http://www.python.org/doc/essays/ppt/pycon2003/pycon2003.ppt
 * [[Anchor(e)]] [5] PEP 3000 -- Python 3.0 Plans: http://python.org/peps/pep-3000.html
 * [[Anchor(f)]] [6] Python-Dev -- Constancy of None: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-July/046294.html
 * [[Anchor(g)]] [7] Python-Dev -- "as" to be a keyword?: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-July/046316.html
 * [[Anchor(h)]] [8] Python-Dev -- lists vs. tuples:
   * http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-March/034073.html
   * http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2003-March/034074.html
 * [[Anchor(i)]] [9] Python-Dev -- Exceptional inheritance patterns: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/047114.html
 * [[Anchor(j)]] [10] Python-Dev -- With statement: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-March/043545.html
 * [[Anchor(k)]] [11] PEP 8 -- Style Guide for Python Code: http://python.org/peps/pep-0008.html
 * [[Anchor(l)]] [12] PythonThreeDotOh
 * [[Anchor(m)]] [13] PEP 332 -- Byte vectors and String/Unicode Unification: http://python.org/peps/pep-0332.html
 * [[Anchor(n)]] [14] PEP 292 -- Simpler String Substitutions: http://python.org/peps/pep-0292.html
 * [[Anchor(o)]] [15] Python-Dev -- other uses for "as": http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-February/042795.html
 * [[Anchor(p)]] [16] PEP 246 -- Object Adaption: http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0246.html
 * [[Anchor(q)]] [17] Python-Dev -- Decorators: vertical bar syntax: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/047424.html

This page lists features that Guido van Rossum himself has mentioned as goals for Python 3.0. Parts of this page have been consolidated into PEP 3000 #e 5

If you have suggestions or comments for Python 3000, please add them to ["Python3.0Suggestions"].

Core Language Changes

  • Remove distinction between int and long types. #d 4

    • (With 2.4 released, this is mostly done? -- JimD)

  • Make all strings unicode #d 4, and have a separate bytes #b 2 type. #m 13

  • Replace all old-style classes. #d 4

  • Make the exec statement a function (again.) #a 1

  • Make the print statement a function. (write(x, y, z), writeline(x, y, z)) #a 1

  • Add a mechanism so that multiple exceptions can be caught using except E1, E2, E3:. For instance:

       1 except E1, E2, E3 as err:  # Store error variable
       2    ...
    
    (Added by GvR, suggested by Bram Cohen.)
    • JimD's suggested syntax:

         1 except (E1, E2, E3), e:
         2    ...
         3 
         4 except E1, e:
         5    ...
      

      The except code would then basically do the equivalent of if issubclass(arg1, Exception) or isinstance(arg1, Exception): ... else if len(arg1): ... (excepting, obviously, that this is implemented at a lower level in the C core). --JimD

  • Add a with statement: #j 10

       1 with self:
       2     .foo = [1, 2, 3]
       3     .bar(4, .foo)
    
    • (I like this, but is the following too ugly for use until then?

      •    1    #!python
           2     _ = self
           3     _.foo = [1, 2, 3]
           4     _.bar(4, _.foo)
        
    • .. seems quirky, but it does serve to remove most of the visual cluster of self.this and self.that which seems to be the primary benefit of the with statement.

      • -- JimD)

  • Remove `x`. #a 1

    • Instead: use repr(x).

    • Reason: backticks are hard to read in many fonts and can be mangled by typesetting software.
  • Remove the <> operator.

    • Instead: use !=.

  • Remove the lambda statement. #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use a local function.
    • Reason: lambda supports only one statement.

  • Remove support for string exceptions. #a 1

    • Instead: use a class.
  • Perhaps have optional declarations for static typing.
    • One suggestion is to use an "as" keyword for this #o 15 and for adaptation #p 16:

         1 # "x as y" means: adapt x to the y protocol
         2 
         3 def foo (a as int, b as float) as float:
         4     a2 = a as float  # Same as: adapt(a, float)
         5     ...
      
    • GvR suggested the syntax #q 17:

         1 def bar(low: int, high: int) -> float:
         2     ...
      
  • Make as a true keyword. #g 7

  • Make True and False keywords. #f 6

    • Reason: make assignment to them impossible.
  • Make true division default.
  • Raise an exception when making comparisons between two incongruent types (other than equality and inequality.)
    • Reason: such comparisons do not make sense and are especially confusing to new users of Python.
  • Require that all exceptions inherit a common base classs. #i 9

    • Reason: forces the use of classes as objects raised by exceptions and simplifies the implementation.
  • Require that the first statement of a suite be on its own line. #a 1

       1 if expression: statement
       2 
       3 # -->
       4 
       5 if expression:
       6     statement
    

Built-In Changes

  • Have range(), zip(), dict.keys(), dict.items(), and dict.values() return iterators.

  • Move compile(), intern() and id() to the sys module. #a 1

  • Change max() and min() to consume iterators.

  • Remove coerce() as it is obsolete. #a 1

  • Remove dict.iteritems(), dict.iterkeys(), and dict.itervalues().

    • Instead: use dict.items(), dict.keys(), and dict.values() respectively.

  • Remove apply(). #a 1

    • Instead: use f(*args, **kw).

  • Remove xrange(). #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use range().

  • Remove map() and filter(). #a 1 #d 4

    • Instead: use list comprehensions.
  • Remove reduce(). #a 1

    • Instead: use a loop.
  • Remove callable(). #a 1

    • Instead: catch the exception.
  • Remove buffer(). #a 1 #b 2

    • Instead: use new bytes type.

  • Remove raw_input(). #a 1

    • Instead: use sys.stdin.readline().

  • Remove input(). #a 1

    • Instead: use eval(sys.stdin.readline()).

  • Remove execfile() and reload(). #a 1

    • Instead: use exec().

Standard Library Changes

  • Remove string module. #c 4

    • Instead: use string methods.
      • There are things in the string module that I think belong there, for example string.letters and string.digits. I don't think that all the string manipulations that we might include with the standard libraries need to be in the core interpreter (any more than I would condone putting the regular expression engine into the core). --JimD

  • Remove types module.

    • Instead: use the types in __builtins__.

  • Remove other deprecated modules. #c 3

  • Remove sys.exc_type. #a 1

    • Instead: use sys.exc_info.

    • Reason: it is not thread safe.
  • Reorganize standard library to have more package structure.
    • Reason: there are too many modules to keep a flat hierarchy.

Open Issues

  • L += x and L.extend(x) are equivalent.

  • Can the parameter order of the insert method be changed so the the index parameter is optional and list.append may be removed?

  • Should the raise x, y syntax be removed as to favor raise x(y)?

  • If only Exception subclasses can be raised #i 9, should the raise statement be kept? Could x(y).raise() be used instead?

  • Are repr() and str() both needed? #a 1

  • Should globals(), locals() and vars() be removed? #a 1

  • Should there be a keyword for allowing the shadowing of built-ins?
  • Should injecting into another module's global namespace be prevented?
  • If line continuations (\) are removed from the language #a 1, what should be done about the instances where statements do not allow parentheses? Furthermore, the Python style guide #k 11 recommends their usage in some cases.

  • Should __cmp__ (and possibly cmp()) be removed? #h 8

    • Reason: ["TOOWTDI"] and rich comparisons are another way.
  • Should list comprehensions be equivalent to passing a generator expression to list()?

    • Reason: they are essentially the same and it would remove edge-case differences between them.
  • With a new string substitution scheme #n 14, will old-style (%(var)s) substitutions be removed?

References

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