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Hi Johannes, is there a chance for a moinmoin upgrade to 1.2.2? Sometimes the wiki is quite slow here. FastCgi, mod_python and twisted could help maybe. Maybe it is also cause by the mail server only sometimes working. Especially saves are slow. BTW: Moin 1.2 has themes now, maybe you can use that for here. -- MoinMoin:ThomasWaldmann I'll look into it when my new SSH keys are up on creosote. -- JohannesGijsbers Does this "too wide" problem noted at top of RecentChanges page still happen? -- ThomasWaldmann [[DateTime(2004-06-30T20:16:04Z)]] ---- |
See JohannesGijsbers for more on me, but I'm subscribed to this page, so you can leave me messages here.
Email: jlgijsbers at planet dot nl
So, if we had a nice pattern repository wiki, we could write about decorate-sort-undecorate there and link to it... {;D}= -- LionKimbro DateTime(2003-11-21T22:18:39Z)
PortlandPatternRepository? -- JohannesGijsbers
Two thoughts:
I'd like a focused design patterns community.
I'd like a block patterns community.
I think that there is a type of pattern that people use within a procedure.
For an example of a basic one, there is the ForLoop.
But there are also others, like FirstTimeSeperate versus FirstTimeIntegrated.
That is, do you:
...or do you...
Surely, there are advantages to each one, no?
I taught beginning programmers for 2 years. I found that I didn't have words for a lot of things that I was trying to explain to them. Now I think I have the word for it: a "block pattern."
I think a site of block patterns would be interesting, and very beneficial for study by beginners.
DecorateSortUndecorate may be a block pattern. But maybe not- maybe it's an algorithmic pattern. But are they that different?
Speaking of algorithms- we need multiple algorithms wiki. {:)}=
Good talking with you. Feel free to delete whenever you like.
-- LionKimbro DateTime(2003-11-22T04:45:20Z)
What do you mean with a block pattern? It seems like another level of Scope (as in the DesignPatternsBook). -- JohannesGijsbers
As for DP: Yes, it is a matter of scope.
My design patterns book isn't about how you arrange your lines and variables within a function. It's about how you arrange your collection of classes, objects. I want "block design patterns," to give my students who are just trying to figure out how to write a function.
Like: "NestedLoops," to do things like cycling over lists of lists, and hitting all of them.
I've been programming since I was 7 years old. When I took CS in college, I got to watch people smarter than I am struggle with how to calculate out a multiplication table, or follow two pointers in a row.
I don't think they're stupid. I think that I just figured out, through trial and error, in my first years of programming, how to make these basic structures.
It'd be nice to have a systematic way to teach those basic "block" patterns. (I'm just making up the term.)
-- LionKimbro
I see what you're getting at. How about "ProceduralPatterns", with block patterns being one of the scopes involved. The other scope would probably be about splitting things up into functions. -- JohannesGijsbers
Yes,yes, that's exactly it. Though I don't think it should polute this wiki. -- LionKimbro
The problem with RecentChanges getting too wide is simple (but probably not so simple to fix). You've got a table with column widths specified in a mix of absolute pixels and relative percentages, and that's a recipie for trouble. I'm tempted to say that the best fix would be to lose the space-wasting totem column on the left, but I suppose that's part of the "branding is more important than content" thing. Failing that, I seem to recall having read about a couple of different ways of working around this sort of problem at alistapart.com. Or was it in Designing with Web Standards? I can't lay hands on it just now...
Hi Johannes,
is there a chance for a moinmoin upgrade to 1.2.2? Sometimes the wiki is quite slow here. FastCgi, mod_python and twisted could help maybe. Maybe it is also cause by the mail server only sometimes working. Especially saves are slow.
BTW: Moin 1.2 has themes now, maybe you can use that for here.
I'll look into it when my new SSH keys are up on creosote. -- JohannesGijsbers
Does this "too wide" problem noted at top of RecentChanges page still happen? -- ThomasWaldmann DateTime(2004-06-30T20:16:04Z)