Wed 24 Nov Participants * Pradyun * Sumana * Bernard * Georgia Agenda * 20.3 release * https://github.com/pypa/pip/milestone/38 * #9011 is the blocker. * a patch that needs to be vendored in, for Mac OS Big Sur & new PEP support * what's realistic re Pradyun's work availability on weekdays.... some availability and capacity * 8011 - big discussion.... Pradyun will merge PR before release, will deal with any fallout from that * timing * Monday Nov 30th - the last day of November * how do we mitigate risk re infinite resolution looping thing.... * need help from Tzu-ping * TODO: Sumana to make a personal ask -- OBVIATED by TP's work * pip resolver survey response updates * TODO: Bernard to refresh from last week * prepping for UX training * https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingWG/2020-09-30-pip-teamwidemeeting * https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingWG/2020-09-29-pip * from Bernard-Sumana conversation * 10-15 participants who are key contributors - that would be a happymaking number for Sumana * pip has a group of ~6 active maintainers, and then there's the larger group of ~40 people who are pypa maintainers (some crossover) * mailing list: pypa-committers * setuptools, wheel, twine, etc * Logistics: * Cluster of timezones? * Mostly NA + Western EU * Tzu-ping, frostming (sp) — Taiwan, Japan (maybe) -- CORRECTION, China * Maybe some in Australia * Pradyun: "Seems like 4 people outside of Europe/NA out of all 72." * 72 people in the PyPA, including very low-frequency contributors and people who only have triage powers. * Sumana suggests: there are about 40 people who work on maintenance tasks, even sporadically * Pradyun: maybe 20-25 people. * Day time contributors vs nights & weekends contributors? * Most people aren't being paid to work on the tools * in poll, understaand 4-hr vs 2-hr chunks * combo of prerecorded plus live workshop * maybe workshop comes first? * workshop before pre-recorded could be more effective * do - watch - do would be very effective. * live session recording * interactive workshops wouldn't translate well to video * presentations would be effective * toward providing multiple ways of folks (and/or style choice) * Multiple formats toward being more accessible to more folks * discussion of offering dates in Dec plus Jan * SH: grateful that SS is flexible. * don't want folks to do volunteer work that they should've been paid for. * GA: this for us is also a way to get feedback from this community * it's part of the work we do * we're happy to do it -- we'd rather make sure it's a workshop that's accessible to as many folks as possible, regardless of contract end dates. * Outreach * Framing the value relative to a UX course -- and pointing out that this is bespoke, won't come around again, rare, valuable as professional development * Bernard: "a generic UX 2 day course would be £2000." * Tailored to pip/pypa/python frame * Easier to access in reasonable sized time frames (2-4 hours vs 2 days) * Value proposition around having a common language to talk about pypa/pip as products, with a user-centered frame * get peer leadership from respected PyPA folks * CZI convening [December] * would be great if Nicole could attend just the docs working group * Analytics - may talk about it today