Tuesday 23 November Participants
- Nicole
- Bernard
- Sumana
- Ernest
- Georgia
Agenda
status & blockers
- Pradyun: can join tomorrow's meeting in its entirety
- only 1 blocker, #9011. Not been able to wrap his head around why resolvelib is misbehaving. Stuck. Need to tag and work with TP.
also, would be nice to have if we could do it in time: Mac OS Big Sur changed things, including how Mac OS tags work. That then requires an update in packaging + pip. But it's ok to go without.
- this will go in 20.3.1
- Bernard: spoke with Sumana about expectations for UX training. Now: continuing with pip research analysis, reports.
- would like the mental model review (spreadsheet). Would be really helpful if some people looked at it.
- TODO: Pradyun will look today
- wants to get training stuff ready, ideally to do work in December.
- TODO: Bernard need to pick up again the interviews with people who run package managers
- TODO: Sumana to nudge people
- Nicole: interviews re doc: done 3-4, have more scheduled this week. Starting to get a picture on what we should do to improve pip's docs. Will be ale to make strong recommendations based on that!
- continuing to summarise research finds we have
- no blockers right now
Q from Pradyun: has nicole seen the Matomo PR/discussion? https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/8517#issuecomment-730373194
- ? what is blocking it being merged?
- consensus
- is there a policy on PyPA/PSF stuff?
- Ernest: no. We use Google Analytics... respects Do Not Track cookie. If we need a policy, we should contact Legal and start that process
- Georgia: we don't want to do something out of line with what PSF is doing
- Ernest: comes down to where data is stored. per GDPR, we do not store really anything on any PSF property that is not critical to behavior of service. [This means a lot of GDPR does not apply] Here, user behavior, need to be more careful, since not critical to behavior of pip.
- Google Analytics - storing user behavior [more detailed question about storage]
- Ernest: for purposes of docs, we have used GA for other similar site properties
- Pradyun: would be using the hosted version of matomo.org
- Georgia: wondering whether to align with, well, PSF is the org here, so, use the analytics
- Ernest: we've had minimal pushback on python.org and pypa.org having GA
- Ernest: hosted/free service would be rad
- by precedent, GA would not be a problem at all. a free service that is an alternative that PyPA wants to use, that is fine as a reasonable alternative
- TODO: Sumana to take a fresh look after call at Matomo discussion
- Bernard wanted to ask: what questions are we trying to answer by adding analytics to docs? to minimise extra data being unnecessarily gathered.
- Georgia: what sections of docs are being used.
- Georgia: it would be a PSF conversation to possibly move over to Matomo from Google Analytics
- it can be hard if different sub orgs do different things
- ? what is blocking it being merged?
- Pradyun: can join tomorrow's meeting in its entirety
- discussion of 20.3 release - deferred till tomorrow
- discussion of prepping for UX training - deferred till tomorrow