Warehouse Sync-up Meeting

Monday, Feb 19 2018

Present:

• Sumana
• Nicole
• Laura
• Dustin
• Ernest

Current work/announcements/blocked:

Ernest:

• - RIP productivity last two-weeks attending/catching up from PyTN. Was hot to trot Saturday morning when suddenly SPAM
• - Kubernetes Object creation is all that remains for full end-to-end deployment via our new infra tooling.

• - Blocker - [infrastructure deployment issue, requires Donald]

Dustin

• Wrapped up account management & milestone #1

• Finished anything I can in Milestone #2
• not really blocked on anything right now, working on PR review and stuff in Milestone 3

• Also pushing forward PEP566, which will eventually enable Markdown support in Warehouse

Nicole

• finished manage account features (needs user testing)
• issue 1354 - contributor ? package detail page
• issue 2880 - ?
• issue 2127 - accessibility issue - working on ui dropdowns - not accessible with keyboard
• not blocked

• working on talk proposal for EuroPython

Laura

• met with Ernest and helped create codebase description in docs: https://warehouse.readthedocs.io/application/

• Created promotional campaign in the PSF CRM

• Created a planning document for promoting the latest milestone to maintainers: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1j1c-Waa2l0ikbfHblto5py9_KWiOgqgo02x2SLTKmKs/edit

Sumana:

• - bug triage

• - Twine RtD fix PR https://github.com/pypa/twine/pull/297

• - sprint planning (Packaging WG email)
• - PR testing/review
• - helped volunteers via IRC/GitHub/email

Bug/PR triage

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/2285 Rename "/legacy" url to something else

• Currently milestone 4 (launch). Need to coordinate with: who? Packaging guide, twine, who else? And should we do this earlier, during the beta, to shake bugs out?

• Ernest: Problem is client support, we've already changed the URL once... with much confusion/frustration. Making /v0 an alias to /legacy seems fine though (also trivial)

• Dustin: Personally, I don't think we should do this
• Sumana: comment with arguments (done)

* Possible spamming of package namespace #2859 https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/2859

• user still has concerns
• Ernest: still waiting on PEP 541 (this is strictly not a MOSS grant scoped issue.)
• Sumana: update user to wait until PEP 541, give progress update (done)

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/2533 "499 Client Error: Client Disconnected for url: https://upload.pypi.org/legacy/"

• Confusing user experience, unclear where problem originates
• Ernest: Honestly no idea either. We're going to be moving the upload infra soon... so we'll probably solve and create a whole new host of similar issues. Unclear path forward.
• Ernest: This _might_ be an issue with Heroku's HTTP routing. Not sure :/
• Dustin: Seems like some existing issues were due to metadata failing validation? Need example distributions from affected users to be sure
• Sumana - ask user for more details (done)

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/916 option to turn off indexing in robots.txt across instance (e.g., Test PyPI)

• should we offer this at all? or should such an organization use devpi?
• Ernest: Not sure what devpi has to do with this. The tl;dr is that the "test" instance of PyPI really has no need to be indexed by search engines.
• Task: we should do this when we can.
• Dustin: ditto, this is something we should do but is not crucial
• Can be done using headers also -- add as a nice to have issue

• Resolution: Sumana will update as cool-but-not-urgent Ernest has created a PR

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/1000 Email all owners when a new owner/maintainer is added

• Milestone 4: Launch?
• Ernest: New Feature, falls into security/audit **Post-Launch**
• Dustin: This is easy to do now. We should also send an email notification to newly added collaborators
• Resolution: Sumana to update as post-launch (done)

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/998 Send confirmation when email address changes

• Milestone 4: Launch?
• Ernest: New Feature, falls into security/audit **Post-Launch** (BUT GREAT IDEA)
• Dustin: I punted on this in email management, would be good to do this post-launch
• Resolution: Sumana to update as post-launch (done)

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/997 Email all owners when a new version of a package is uploaded

• Cool But Not Urgent?
• Ernest: New Feature, falls into security/audit **Post-Launch**
• Dustin: ditto
• Resolution: Sumana to update as post-launch (done)

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/469 Disallow runs of special characters in project names

• just for readability, or also for user confusion that might cause security issues?
• Ernest: This would require PEPs to be modified. Not in scope for MOSS grant work.
• Resolution: Sumana to update noting it's not in scope for MOSS work (done)

* https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2017/01/time-to-upgrade-your-python-tls-v12.html

• issue to re-publicize the upcoming deadlines?
• Ernest: Mehhhhhhhhhh our request rate for TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1 is _orders of magnitude_ lower than TLSv1.2
• Ernest: Outside scope of MOSS grant work, will affect all PSF services hosted behind Fastly. Will take this to Infra-WG+
• Small number of users use outdated protocols - Ernest will ask PSF to tweet about it

* https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/582 ability to delete legacy docs

• who should decide on the policy so we can move forward?
• Eric - wants a separate RTD instance for PyPI, but how do we know where users are coming from, and who can update those docs?
• blocked on clear path forward on handling documentation, need docs url
• Who can make authoritative decision - Packaging WG?
• Ernest will send a message to Eric
• PyPI not in business of hosting docs -- need division of who does what

Ask Donald to:

• https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/2216 <- not just do this, but also help us make sure we can do it in the same way w/o him

  • Ties back into the dang db dump tooling. This requires some automated scrubbing to get right.

• https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues/2287 <- Dustin can do this if Nicole or Ernest can give access to the repo (or banner can go away at launch)

  • Ernest can grant Nicole and Dustin access to that repo

Milestone progress

We've hit Milestone 1 and are on to Milestone 2!

We'll decouple testing/promotional tasks for Milestone 2 from milestone schedule, since we'll hit Milestone 2 before we're done getting maintainer MVP feedback.

TODO

• add a nice to have issue for a "report spam" button

  • +1, once https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/pull/2991 is merged

• Ernest to talk to Infrastructure WG about TLS deadline
• Ernest to talk to Eric about hosted documentation question (DONE)